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Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:53 pm 

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 Post subject: Re: New Mods
Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 5:15 pm 

you can troll the zone and lure il and pc over here just to ban them lmao

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 Post subject: Re: Today I Learned. . . .
Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 8:56 pm 

TIL: Phat Cat doesn't have a sense of humor and wrecked one of the few moments where we got to see a different and very funny side of Mr. Biz.

I'm not a big fan of yours, Mr. Biz, but I can sympathize with you. PC has wrecked a lot of punch lines over the years. Sorry she so badly **** up one of the few moments where you let your hair down.
So I had the ban hammer thrown down on me today, was his big quitting speach an april fools day gag?

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 Post subject: Re: 3" welded gas line
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:31 pm 

In Canada, anything over 2.5 Inches must be welded

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 Post subject: Re: 3" welded gas line
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:26 pm 

There is gas to inside building also from riser outside of building. Increasing line pressure would also require an additional reg. at a horizontal branch supply entering building. Again not a huge deal I just haven't been inside to know what is in there.
They can have two lines coming off the meter set, high pressure line and a low pressure line for inside

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 Post subject: Re: 3" welded gas line
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:58 pm 

NiagaraPlumb wrote:
plumbfitter wrote:
In Canada, anything over 2.5 Inches must be welded


Over 2" you mean. 2-1/2" is welded.

My bad, that is what I meant

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 Post subject: Re: Watermain Break
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:30 pm 

So a few weeks ago I got to see first hand how much water pressure can really damage things. We had a call where the restraining rods had rotted away and the transition flange on the ductile pipe seperated and lifted the entire fire main. I didnt think water pressure could do that much damage!
What Diameter is that coming up to the OS&Y Valve?
6 inch, reduces to 4 inch after the alarm check
So that would have a force of 2,261 lbs on it at 80psi....
If I was outside playing with my firetruck and slammed a valve closed real fast you might see a water hammer force of 12,717 lbs or so... :shock:
WILD! it was 80 psi coming in. It happened overnight, that last employee left on a friday at 5pm, and the only person to notice the flood was the landscaper who was salting the parking lot at 5 am saturday morning who said they saw water coming out from the doors, city didnt shut the water down until 7am. When the employees got there on saturday morning they said there was easily 3 feet of water inside!!

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 Post subject: Re: intro
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:08 pm 

hello and welcome!
Ontario here!

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 Post subject: Re: intro
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:27 pm 

np2012 wrote:
Widdershins wrote:
Pizza and Canadian whiskey?

That's gross.

Pizza goes much better with bourbon.



pizza goes good with everything....

you mean whiskey goes with everything

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 Post subject: Re: Water softener sizing
Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:58 pm 

I was talking to a water softener sales guy yesterday, and he told me that his company doesn't sell residential softeners larger than 45,000 grains. He said, no matter how big the house, and how many occupants, 45,000 was plenty big...

Is this true? And if so, how do you size water softeners for residential... I usually give a brief description to my supplier, and he gives me a softener that will do the job. Everything is municipal water, out here... High in calcium and magnesium, but not much iron or other stuff. I have installed 60,000 grain units in large houses based on supplier recommendation, but don't know if its right.
Typically the best way is to count how many fixtures will be soft water and how many occupants in the home, there is a calculation you can do which I can't remember off the top of my head, but with that info and how many grains of hardness you have in the water you can accurately size a softener

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 Post subject: Re: Water softener sizing
Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 3:02 pm 

The approx amount of gallons per day used per person is 50 gallons

So your formula is:
Gallons X hardness (grains) X number of days per cycle

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 Post subject: Re: Water softener sizing
Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 5:48 pm 

The approx amount of gallons per day used per person is 50 gallons

So your formula is:
Gallons X hardness (grains) X number of days per cycle

Thanks... What does number of days per cycle mean? Most of the units I install have a flow sensor which regens when the homeowners have used the corresponding amount.
usually its 3 days per cycle

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 Post subject: Re: Water softener sizing
Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 5:49 pm 

Generally a 45000 grain 10 by 54 unit is plenty for a normal size house. that's generally what we install.
We generally don't go any smaller unless its a small house with not many people living there. Generally it's best to size a water softener according to how many bathrooms and how many people can/might live there.
GENERALLY thats a good rule of thumb ;) haha

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Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:02 pm 

NiagaraPlumb wrote:
Get well soon ol' timer!

Wait a min... are you sure you didn't sustain this injury yesterday by say... I dunno... FALLING THROUGH A CEILING?!? :lol:

HAHAHA Good call O Evil One!! :shit

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 Post subject: Re: Water softener sizing
Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:27 pm 

So... According to the formula: 50gal x #people x grains of hardness x 3(day cycle), I find that I have been installing softeners with unnecessarily high grain capacity.

5 people = 250 gallons per day
250 x 25(grains hardness) = 6250
6250 x 3(day cycle) = 18,750 grain softener

I have never even heard of installing a softener less than 30,000 grain.
Are there any other factors involved in sizing?
Sizing
 The approx. water usage per person, per day is 50 gallons
NOTE:
-if no w/c`s are connected to the softener, a factor of 40 gallons is used

Formula
Gallons x Hardness (GPG) x Number of Days per reload cycle
Example
Calculate the size of a softener required for a family of 6 where the water has a hardness of 25 gpg and a reload cycle of 3 days.
Gallons x Hardness (GPG) x Number of Days per reload cycle
= (6 x 50) x 25 x 3
= 22, 500 + 10 % for visitors
= 24, 750  round up to 25, 000 grain softener


that is the formula we have always used. I know LOTS of plumbers that say the same thing as you, a lot of people over size their softeners

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 Post subject: Re: Water softener sizing
Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:54 pm 

gear junkie wrote:
Great thread and answers. My supply house says it's sized by cubic ft of the resin tank. Is this the same as the grain count...just worded different?

One cubic foot of exchange bed will remove 30,000 grains of hardness

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 Post subject: Watermain Break
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:03 pm 

So a few weeks ago I got to see first hand how much water pressure can really damage things. We had a call where the restraining rods had rotted away and the transition flange on the ductile pipe seperated and lifted the entire fire main. I didnt think water pressure could do that much damage!

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 Post subject: Re: Need a Logo ?
Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 10:06 pm 

thanks widds! kinda fell off the face of the planet! been a busy year, going to make a bigger effort to spend more time here!

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 Post subject: Re: Member Retention
Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 10:09 pm 

I've been gone for a while, not that anyone noticed :shit haha good to be back none the less!

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 Post subject: Re: New Guitar
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 6:10 pm 

Adamche wrote:
aprilmayb wrote:
Is the horse a regular part of your act?

He's just along for the ride..... :chicken

*facepalm*

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 Post subject: Re: Pinky's Critter Corner
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:55 pm 

This is the new addition to our family
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 8:47 am 

aprilmayb wrote:
What is a ladder ball? Looks like pork.

In the one pic you can see a small 3 rung ladder with ropes and golf balls hanging on the top rung. It's a fun game where u throw the ropes and try and wrap them around the ladder rungs...

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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:32 pm 

What is a ladder ball? Looks like pork.
In the one pic you can see a small 3 rung ladder with ropes and golf balls hanging on the top rung. It's a fun game where u throw the ropes and try and wrap them around the ladder rungs...
Hmm, I take your word for it but would have to see how it's done.
challenge accepted!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOfT0X7y8pY

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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:40 pm 

I've had this many times, I usually use a strap wrench and tighten it, a good strap wrench not the crap ones that sloan give you, if that fails then u need a new cartridge, they had a slew of Crappy cartridges

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 Post subject: Re: Stupid Plumbers
Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:56 am 

This is what we usually see inside. Either buried under ground or sitting on the ground. Always inside though
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