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Found this today in a house that already needs a fair bit of work. The rest of the primary loop is similarly 'well engineered'. They managed to install every single circulator in the one configuration they should not, as an air trap for the wet-rotor..... :roll:

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It helps explain what happened to this cast iron baseboard rad, co-incidentally located on the furthest loop of the system (2nd floor against the outside corner of the house subjected to the prevailing winds):

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A backside view for those of you who've not seen cast iron baseboard radiators before (I quite admire them):

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Not really sure what I'm looking at here, but the pump is in the wrong orientation, and what's with all the reducers? Is that a PRV?

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You're correct about the pump orientation, the two boiler pumps are also oriented the same way. The valve you're asking about is a Honeywell D146M1040 differential pressure regulator, but its not installed correctly either.


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Ever join them together with that tool .. I don't know the name of the tool but it prys them or should I say squeezes them together ..

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A puller? Lol


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Ever join them together with that tool .. I don't know the name of the tool but it prys them or should I say squeezes them together ..


Pliers and bolts? :lol: I imagine a specific plier with long handles. The interesimg thing with this place is that I re-connected with the homeowner through word-of-mouth; I had spent a significant bit of time in the house on the last major reno in 1999/2000. Whomever replaced his boilers since has left me some repair work to perform. The primary loop needs a repipe, the circulators all need re-oriented and I get to make it prettier while I'm at it, the previous 'guys with torches and wrenches' (I hesitate to call them plumbers) couldn't square, level or orient the installation to save their lives. Some of the supply & return piping is attached to the primary loop just a few feet apart and on the same side of the circulator. The system does not have zone circulators, its got pneumatic zone valves (not a lot of residential pneumatics in these parts!). The ball valves are soldered in random positions, square to nothing, parallel is a 50/50 arrangement.


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O.S. wrote:
Ever join them together with that tool .. I don't know the name of the tool but it prys them or should I say squeezes them together ..



Yeah. And I learned to dope the friction fit sleeves. Learned the hard way.

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Ever join them together with that tool .. I don't know the name of the tool but it prys them or should I say squeezes them together ..



Yeah. And I learned to dope the friction fit sleeves. Learned the hard way.



15 years ago I had removed and re-installed most of the rads in this house during a major reno, some were relocated for the installation of French doors where windows once were. We found a place that supplied the Warden King baseboard rads refurbished. They'd salvage them from buildings, sandblast them and provide new push-nipples, trim and accessories for joining the sections. They supplied a graphite paste for use with the tapered rings. I've contacted them for a replacement for the split 24" section, but all that is available is an 18", so we'll have to have a sheet metal spacer made up. Elsewhere in the home there was some copper fin-tube rads put in, but the system only runs a single temperature, so I'll recommend some new Weil Mclain cast iron baseboards for those locations.


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Needs better pixs of the boiler.. its ain't piped correctly for sure


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Needs better pixs of the boiler.. its ain't piped correctly for sure


The set-up is difficult to photograph in its entirety, I'll post a somewhat legible schematic once I've finished with my Crayolas. It consists of two Viessmann 200,000 BTU boilers and some messed-up supply and return piping. Its serving a local character home where the owner has so many other houses that he doesn't notice a lot wrong with this one.

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CaberTosser wrote:
rjbphd wrote:
Needs better pixs of the boiler.. its ain't piped correctly for sure


The set-up is difficult to photograph in its entirety, I'll post a somewhat legible schematic once I've finished with my Crayolas. It consists of two Viessmann 200,000 BTU boilers and some messed-up supply and return piping. Its serving a local character home where the owner has so many other houses that he doesn't notice a lot wrong with this one.

"It's chilly, instead of calling the plumber I'll hit my Florida property bordering the exclusive golf course"

Sounds like some furance company did the job..


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This is safe, right?


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Hard too tell on my Iphone but isnt the expansion tank on the high side of the pump?


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O.S. wrote:
Ever join them together with that tool .. I don't know the name of the tool but it prys them or should I say squeezes them together ..



It seems like forever and it was a BaseRay baseboard. I do not remember using any special tools. I cannot honestly remember what the heck we did with them. I am guessing we played caveman and made it work. :chicken


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its called radiator assy tool.. sqeeuze the sections together evenly. Have couple of them.


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